Club Penguin Fanon Wiki:Council

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The Club Penguin Fanon Wiki Council is a legislation of users that discuss and vote on current topics and proposals. Archived topics go here, no matter the outcome.

Modeled after the CPW and Shops' Councils.

Guidelines

  • Any users that qualify according to our Voting Policy may vote in all topics presented in the council. Users that don't qualify to vote may still give their opinion in the comments section.
  • Any user that qualifies to vote is allowed to open a council topic, though nonsense topics may be discarded without notification.
  • The amount of time a topic will stay open for voting will be at the admins' discretion. A typical vote is open for about two weeks.
  • Controversial topics which have a small vote differential (e.g. +1) may or may not pass. This will be discussed and decided among the administration.
  • Demotion votes for users do not belong here; they get their own demotion vote page.
  • We ask that all users who vote "neutral" state why they voted neutral, rather than choosing a side "For" or "Against". Neutral votes without an explanation will be removed.
  • Topics that have been closed (or failed) must be closed for four months before a similar topic can be introduced.
    • Votes regarding user rights and the Wall of Fame are not subject to this rule under the condition that the proposals are related to different users.
  • Comments on topics should be constructive and add to the discussion, otherwise they may be removed.
  • Think before you post a new topic: could a topic be achieved by asking the admins instead of a vote?
  • Topics intended as jokes or that otherwise provide nothing to the site may be removed by the administration.

The administration holds a special ability, called veto. When half of the present (active/partially active) administration votes against a proposal (if they have good reason for doing so), it can be discarded, or vetoed.

The Table

Please use this formatting when adding a new topic. Place your topic at the bottom of the section, below the line. Don't forget to sign it! 

===Topic name (+/- 0)===
:''Topic added on <current date; e.g. September 3, 2008>.''
:''Topic will be closed on <two weeks later>.''

Information about your topic goes here, including your arguments for your subject. 
(A more descriptive argument may convince people to join your side!) 

Your signature (simply add ~~~~), and maybe some final comments.

====For (0)====
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====Neutral (0)====
====Comments====

Topics

Bring Back the SCARY Puffles Template (-1)

Topic added on June 16 2021.
Topic will be closed on June 30.

Most of the Von Injoface Family had a template known as the "SCARY" Puffle template which was humorous and gave the website a touch of humanity. However they were inexplicably removed and deleted around 2-3 years ago, without any explanation. They were part of the Wiki for over a decade and had no reason to be deleted.

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19:32, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

For (1)

  1. Radioactivechicken, Contact, OwO what's this? 13:50, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Against (2)

  1. Mario Rk 19:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Chill57181 (Talk • Contributions) 20:10, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral (4)

  1. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 20:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --RealMax 21:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)RealMax
  3. --Quackerpingu (talk) 14:39, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  4. -- Agent Isai (Talk)(Contribs) 15:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Never was a big fan of the scary template, and frankly those kind of templates made the articles look less presentable. I also do not find it all too fitting for Mabel's character, since from what I was able to see after updating her page recently, other characters seem to treat her as a pest more so than a puffle to be feared. This "scary" categorization makes even less sense when you factor in the rest of her family. Even so, I can see why you believe that they added some charm, but I think a compromise could be made instead of giving the template a comeback. Similar to what is on Scrubbypingu, perhaps Mabel, or any other appropriate von Injoface characters, could have their own unique quality template. This way the page is more presentable overall, while keeping the fun atmosphere that the scary template provided. --Mario Rk 19:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The reason the template was deleted in the first place was because it was ugly, outdated, and took up way too much space on the page. The code was never updated and still used the original style of templates from 2008 when the wiki began which looks very... not good. As for the space issue, see this old version of Mabel's page - barely any of the article's actual content is immediately visible. Admittedly this reasoning should've been more transparent, but what's done is done. I also take issue with how the template (jokingly) asks the reader to "please make immediate corrections", as if the character having character traits is a problem? Yeah it's obviously a joke, but it just feels awkward. If this proposal does pass then the template is going to need serious overhauling to look decent.
    Potential overhauling aside though, I really don't see a need for it to exist at all. Amboxes really only need to be used for important information about the article itself (i.e. quality rating, if it was featured, ownership information), anything else is what the article itself is for, which is also why I proposed removing similar amboxes like Evil and Walrus a while back. --Chill57181 (Talk • Contributions) 20:10, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am for on the condition that the template is given a decent redesign, to look like a normal, modern wiki template in terms of its design. And Mario's suggestion is nice as well - the Scrubbypingu article's unique quality template is a good thing to consider of the Mabel family article. --Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 20:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • My stance is pretty much what Penstubal is suggesting - I wouldn't mind the SCARY template making a comeback, so long as the article still looks "clean". I understand the want to preserve the more "fun" elements of the wiki and stay true to the wiki's roots, although it wouldn't hurt to bring the template up to modern standards with a little redesigning. -- Wikipenguino45 (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 14:32, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seeing Mario's stance, I sort of agree with him on using amboxes for the von Injoface. The old template does bring a touch of nostalgia but in the end, it is ugly and doesn't fit in with the other templates. -- Agent Isai (Talk)(Contribs) 15:20, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should we make a new Club Penguin Shops, right here somewhere? (+/- 0)

Topic added on May The Fourth be with Twenty, Twenty Two.
Topic will be closed on May 18.

So this was a random idea that was thought up of me today because I read the other discussion above which looked interesting. I also thought up of the Club Penguin Shops, and if I ever manage to get in there I will make an elevator company. I know I'm writing long essays in school because I really know how to describe my ideas in writing, but somehow I have just been keeping too many thoughts of articles in my head and because this wiki does not have much activity anymore, it has gotten boring. If I were to convince my friends to join the wiki, I am sure they would be very creative to collab once in a while, but if there were a new Club Penguin Shops, we might just be able to start a joint stock company and make Scratch projects to complement it, as I am currently making CPFW-related projects on my Scratch account. I have created a company named BallyLifts which is headquarted in Ternville. They were the original creators of the elevator that goes from downtown Ternville to the mayor's office. I made a Scratch project of the elevator. If there were to be a new CP Shops and if it were CONVINCING enough....then maybe my imagination might just soar.

LDTV22 (talk) 22:32, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]


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Comments

Inappropriate Parodies/References (DISCUSSION)

Topic added on 4 August, 2024.
Topic will be closed on 18 August, 2024.

A number of articles in continuity make references to or parody historical events/people/etc. that really aren't appropriate for a website based off of Club Penguin, given their original context or what they parody. Some of these articles include the Nazi parodies:

In addition to these articles, a number of other very questionable parody articles exist (e.g Liber Jones). Given how many and how deeply ingrained some of these articles have become over time, I think a wider discussion is necessary as to how to go about these articles, with some options having already been proposed:

  1. Creating a template to warn/make users aware of any offensive or inappropriate content/references.
  2. Repurposing older articles that are heavily tied into continuity and deleting lesser known ones and their references.

Wikipenguino45 (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 01:00, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • This is a tricky one. I spent a while going through previous discussions about retconning the "Concentration camp" article and adjusting the meaning of Orange Juice, and I think the sentiment in general is the same - we have to do something.

The template, like the WB cartoon warning, is the bare minimum. We should absolutely acknowledge that while it wouldn't be acceptable to parody these subjects today (and probably wasn't at the time), it's better to acknowledge it and leave it up rather than hide our dirty laundry.

That said - the nazi stuff isn't of particularly great quality. Neo-Naughtzee especially is basically a giant list of wiki nazi characters, and in very much poor taste. That can probably be deleted.

Khanzem I think should stay, maybe with one of those templates at the top and a subtantial rework. It's kind of a key part of the history of Antarctica, and it's an interesting story as well. If High Penguins are all powerful compared to ordinary ones, it's inevitable that there was going to be some sort of populist peasant uprising which may eventually boil over into a fascist state. We just don't have to make it an overt and Nazi-reference filled parody.

So my suggestions are:

  1. Create the warning template and put it on all concerning articles
  2. Delete low quality or incomplete articles that parody questionable things
  3. Rework Khanzem especially to remove nazi references (reich, fuhrer, etc), but keep the element of HP oppression. It's an important part of our shared continuity.

Would welcome any further discussion.--Kwikxilver (talk) 20:02, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I second these proposals. While problematic, Khanzem does play a prominent role in the history of the Fanon Universe, and I believe that it can be saved if the Nazi references are removed. As for deleting low quality problematic articles, this is something that has happen before in the Wiki's history. Radioactivechicken (talk) 21:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I second this. RealMax (talk) 22:17, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • For some reason I find it a bit funny, but I don't mind having content warning templates essentially saying "this content may be offensive to some readers, we don't condone it", and/or getting lesser-influential distasteful articles out of the continuity. While Khanzem is an important aspect of the continuity, I believe it could be creatively rewritten to not be based off of things so despicable. I believe originally the war was a joint parody of WWI and WWII, maybe it could be based more on WWI Germany with other creative elements thrown in, or just make it mostly original content. I think you can have variety in getting rid of articles, delete some that are not well written or of low consequence, but don't be afraid to move some to the Archive space as well, to preserve some troubled content instead of trying to bury it. For example, Whoot, while that character himself is important, mostly because of who he is parodied from, I think if the community wanted to we could put any strawman dictator in Whoot's place and put Whoot in the Archive namespace, to give Khanzem another layer of separation. It may be harder than that to replace all mentions of Whoot across the wiki, however. I am also unsure about the Neo-Naughtzee group, while the article itself is poorly written and not well linked, I don't necessarily have a problem with an Anti-High Penguin group to take its place as long as it doesn't draw such a troublesome likening. Ckrat (talk) 06:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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